Narcissistic and violent tendencies are very common. Ive scanned through of all my remarks on this site and nowhere have a seen a single remark that confirms your assertion that Ive been insulting. Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. You people are fighting a losing cause! Most of your comment absolutely astonishes me. After an hour Id call anyone whod listen to me including police! Microconidia DNA, as long as the strand is one inch long they can pull the DNA from that. For more on the Katrinak murder case, you can watch Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction for free on YouTube. Search it out and check for yourself. WebThe prosecution said Patricia wanted Jeromes $30,000 life insurance policy. Despite the fact it has never been proved thats exactly how it happened, it seems to be accepted as fact it could just as possibly have been the other way round, beaten and then shot. Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. Patricia Unbloody vehicle. We've received your submission. Meanwhile, the case of the missing mother and baby turned into colossal news across the U.S. and internationally. Wouldnt that verify Troutmans claim that the husband was arguing with the victim, in a rage? Patricia Islam Said, Yasseins 32-year-old nephew, pleaded guilty to the same charges last month in connection with the effort to protect Yaser Said, 63, who had been a fugitive since 2008. I mean the husband did do some shady things maybe he was involved? Susan Wright is out of prison after killing her husband in TX. They were there in the winter months in which the bodies would have been frozen most of the time. ), The Wrong Man investigators Ira Todd and Joe Kennedy have some theories of their own. According to Arletta Wright, Patricia needs to be driven because she has been legally blind since the age of 16. 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Her mother, Patricia Chambers, provided day care for their baby son, Charles. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? Still, no good leads materialized. Deal refused. The teens were found shot multiple times in a cab outside an Irving motel after one of them called 911, saying she was dying, authorities said. Shame on your for defending a vicious killer. Her sister stated shed had a religious obsession since she was a child. Barry Grube, one of the few, if not only, police officers sympathetic to Patricias cause, noted that Andrew didnt seem particularly frantic while authorities searched desperately for his wife and son. Phone records confirmed Patricia placed the earlier call from North Carolina, not Pennsylvania. It showed her usually all-brown hair haphazardly highlighted blond. We were contacted by some individuals an agent from Interpol, as well as a social worker from Puerto Rico, that believed that they had her in an adult care home there in Puerto Rico, the deputy said during the press conference. It says that Andrew Katrinak passed his lie detector test. Let me ask youWhy do most of those who post adverse and hateful comments feel the need to? I think shes guilty for sure. Although the prosecution used it as evidence that she was trying to create a false alibi, it actually sounded more like Patricia was simply trying to nail down the facts he had already asserted to her. RR, Watch the Forensic Files episode on YouTube. 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Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. Have a tip or story idea? Theres speculation and theres lies period. At 10:30 p.m., Andrew reported his wife missing. Ms. Patricia And Mark McCloskey Who Waved Guns At BLM Protesters On June 14, 1989, Patricia Wright and her 7-year-old son, Alfey, were riding in a car driven by family friend Lawrence Slaughter. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended. Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. I was like OK, maybe she was tired, you know with a new baby. Both wanted to be doctors. . There was a push for a mistrial, but a 16-year prison sentence was negotiated instead. "It's been an honor and privilege to stand up and be an advocate for Sarah. Through that testing, the elderly patient was confirmed to be the same woman locally known in Pittsburgh as a street preacher called The Sparrow who vanished and left her family flummoxed. Said Her diary certainly indicates some disturbed thinking. They retested the hair for DNA evidence with updated technology definitely Patricias hair case closed. Andy passed not one but two polygraph tests and had a solid alibi. Although I would have liked it to be death! Her mother was married to my uncle. Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. Trash-talking ex. "You can keep those evil eyes glaring just glare away because this is going to be the last time that you see me.". Its perfectly understandable that one should feel sorry for the victims of this heinous crime. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. If Patricia drove it back from the murder scene after she shot Joann and then beat her to death, luminal would have lit up the interior. While Patricia does not qualify for medical parole, she can still file for executive clemency or compassionate release, which she has already done and which was met with more resistance from Gov. The Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), Families to Amend Californias Three Strikes (FACTS) and Change.org are among the many groups that have been working to get Patricia Wright released from prison. I thought the justice system in my state and the people were narrow-minded and corrupt. Its sad that some people just cant move on and continue to feel that what they want is going to be THEIRS regardless. Its nothing short of a feeble stab hoping to impress but really amounts to splitting hairs, or to put it another way, hot air with no substance. From my point of view this is an extremely similar case, with less class and style, and without the luxurious details that Interpols case had, such as the involvement of an extremely expensive Alfa Romeo car, and a revolver bought at a lush auction in Paris, which had belonged to a duke before the incident. Stable situation. I had never been in jail before and I wasnt allowed to go outside. Ive followed and made a study of this case for more than twenty years and have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. Four months after Joanns disappearance, farmer Paul Kovalchik reported seeing what at first looked like a pile of clothes on his land in Heidelberg Township woods, about 15 miles from the Katrinaks house. Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude? Wright desires to live her last days with her five children and six grandchildren, was in the statement as well. 2023 www.burlingtonfreepress.com. Unlike most people who stayed on the streets all day, she maintained a neat, attractive appearance, wearing makeup and a dress or skirt each day. Lead Prosecutor Lauren Black called Said a true narcissist who believed he was smarter than everybody else. More likely it reflects a relative reluctance to execute females as well as the pendency of what will be the last episode of DNA investigation. This article can also be seen at crimereport.com. Guilty I believe this woman murdered Joann and Alex. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. All my comments have been vetted and approved by this sites organisers so how do you see yourself as the judge of whats acceptable or not? I find it weird that youre going to kill a woman just because she hung up on you and maybe tell you some shitty world because you call like an ex. A Pittsburgh-area woman missing for over 30 years and declared legally dead several years ago has been found alive in Puerto Rico, authorities in Pennsylvania said on Thursday. As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. The obvious, if moot, response to this is to observe that her conviction wasnt based on inaccurate documentaries but on trial. I come home one night, and shes just gone, and nobody knows where shes at, Bob Kopta, husband of Patricia Kopta, said at a press conference reported by Pittsburgh-based NBC affiliate WPXI. None. Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. Bully for you if youve read a lot and seen a lot: its meaningless to other posters and adds nothing to your argument for innocence. The defense also criticized Irving Police and federal investigators, claiming they did not properly investigate the case or look for other suspects. The fact that shortly after Joanns funeral, Andy reconnected with an old friend, a woman who happened to live about 4 miles from where the bodies were found. But I agree with a recent comment.. Why not do a paternity case so just that is done and out of the way. She said that she has no idea why her ex-husband killed her daughters. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory. Sticking to a promise he made before the pair pleaded guilty, the Republican governor announced Tuesday that Mark and Patricia McCloskey were among 12 people granted pardons on Friday. They claim in a 911 call from the night of the murders, Sarah said her father was attacking her. Patricia Rorrer is as guilty as sin, and she needs to stay right where shes at. I dont think she was ever scared until we put the cuffs on her.. "You knew how the And remnants of what look like a baby rested on the mother. I hope she suffers and goes insane from loneliness. She said that shes no fan of Forensic Files and that the show had many misrepresentations about her case and that shed heard ForensicFilesNow.com mixed up some facts as well. All the sources said the same thing either exposure or suffocation, but no certainty about which one. I do. I didnt know about the supposed SIDS death of Rorrers first-born. After Joann Katrinak, the wife of Patricias former flame, turned up dead along with her infant son, prosecutors suspected Patricia. Patricia Owens, After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. Am I missing something? Joanne wouldnt have fought back as she was shot therefore almost immediately incapacitating her and was holding her son. Im a hunter and in the spring I have found many dead deer that died from starvation or other reasons and the bodies are untouched. (McIntyre said that Egan ignored Traupman because he was a nut who said that the man he saw arguing with the woman in a car was Hispanic but wearing a fake mustache and a toupee. Whats worse is that shes innocent. Those who knew Joann pointed out that she didnt like to drive in reverse and would have never parked that way. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. And when Patricia was taken into custody where they removed 39 hairs with root, and then all of a sudden after the FBI report say that the hair tested had NO ROOT ATTACHED, the hair tested had a root? Angry that Joann hung up on her, she stalked her for three days, then broke into her basement and cut the phone line, put a gun to Joanns head as she was placing Alex in the car, and forced her to drive to the rural area. What the prosecution failed to disclose to Rorrers defence team was that the cops, in their zeal to prove their gun theory, visited several addresses of which Rorrer was resident, dug up the gardens in which she was known to do target practice recovered several shell casings and bullets (more than 70), had them ballistically tested, but NOT ONE was found to be a match to the bullet recovered from the victim. Plus, two men, her babys father and his friend, testified they saw Patricia at the line-dancing club the night of the homicide. Patricia Wrights brother, Larry Wright, 47, and her neighbor, Janet Marcelin, 55, both testified that Patricia Wright and Lawrence Slaughter committed the murder but recanted their testimony after Patricia was sentenced to life without possibility of parole. Beautifully said Cliff! However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. Owens called him "the devil" and said he deserved a punishment much tougher than life in prison. And James Pfeiffer and Jim Burke have remained on her side. "So it was relieving to get guilty verdict and get justice for these girls.". How could I explain to my daughter years later that I took a plea for something I didnt do? she said. Marissa Suarez, in the matching brown hat and scarf, and Patricia Todisco, in the darker hat, are seen inside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 (images via FBI court filing). The longer it took to find the bodies the easier it would be for her alibis to be believed as it wouldve been harder for people to remember if she was at a dance class etc that she regularly attended on that specific date. Calling her ex because she just likes to stay in touch w peopleLOL! DNA testing revealed the blood came from either Joann or her son. Amina was 18 years old and was shot two times and Sarah was 17 Yaser Said Found Guilty in Murders of Teen Daughters NBC 5 What they reported to us is that she came into their care in 1999 where she was found in need, in the streets in Puerto Rico, where she had been wandering around. I decided to just plead guilty to get it over with.. Mark and Patricia McCloskey The case was eventually abandoned. Dame Patricia said she was "deeply saddened" to hear of her former co-star's death. They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. Was Amina Said Mother Patricia Owens Said Charged With Murder? His favorite rattle, shaped like a phone, lay near the crime scene. Judge Chika Anyiam sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Saphira Wolf forgive me, but I dont have the time, or wish, to respond to idiotic comments. So lets get going on the recap of the Forensic Files episode A Woman Scorned, along with extra information drawn from internet research: Joann Marie OConnor was born on Oct. 11, 1968, the youngest of Sarah and David OConnors four children. And she called 911. Patricia and her defense team denied that allegation and said she owned her home, had no financial issues and that Jerome was dying of liver cancer and only had 60 days to live. Allen and Patricia Prue were arrested two days after Jenkins' death. After all, justice has been served in the eyes of the law, so why go on demonising her? His defense team raised concerns about what they considered a lack of evidence during closing arguments. Patricias phone bill showed no record of a call to Catasauqua that day, but police noticed she didnt make any calls at all from her house in North Carolina that day either suggesting she could have been out of state and used a pay phone to dial up the Katrinaks. They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. Sure theres DNA, but if she truly is innocent then why not advocate to find the gun. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. Have you read the book? Cops under pressure will lie to close a case. Im new to the case, but there seems to be a lot of reasonable doubt. Incriminating words. Killers can plan all the details and alibis well ahead of the murder while cops must come up with hard evidence, even just to make an arrest. Patricia Joann would have fought for her life the person that did this would have had marks on them from a fight! Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. And the fact that Patricia called Andrew even after he married someone else didnt mean she was still carrying a torch for him, according to one of her friends. Joanne and Alex didnt disappear until 12/15. Not gender neutral. Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. so then using your contention, one who is deeply religious and sees God as being a factual figure is wrong? Theres something very important to this case that needs to be mentioned more than anything else THE GUN. Yaser Abdel Said, 63, was arrested Wednesday by agents in the small town of Justin, about 36 miles northwest of Dallas, officials said. Nine. It has very bad energy. If you so dearly feel the need to occupy the high ground in debate or an argument, have the decency to quote accurately. Despite the new evidence and hypotheses, the courts have rejected all of Patricias bids for a new trial. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. I saw lots of her defenders saying that he got the hairs from a hairbrush of hers that he had somehow saved, which I thought was absolutely ridiculous. The Dallas Morning News revealed that Patricia said, "All I can say is there's going to be justice," after waiting for 12 years of pain of losing her children. He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. No charmed life. Flawed justice: the wrongful conviction of Kerry Baxter Sr. She made Joanne kill the baby PLEASE. If Patricia had injuries it wouldve only been to her hands and she wasnt questioned right away which is also the reason she took Joanne elsewhere to kill her so her body wouldnt be found for a while and she would have time to return home. She is 100% guilty seen 2 programs on this awful murder and read about it as well. She will be in jail for the rest of her life and rightly so. Ill always say that Tommy Lynn Sells murdered the Routier boys OR the father Darrin did it. Both were deceased. Janet Marcelin, a business owner, said the police had her rehearse and record a fake confession after intimidating and harassing her during the investigation. Flaw in reasoning. Then you claim this is an opinion. No activity on her bank account or credit cards took place after the day she went missing, so investigators dismissed the theory that she took her child and bolted. Why? They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. Shes being well taken care of.. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. Shock, Gloria Smith, the sister of the lost-and-found woman, said at the press conference. After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. The police report misspells his name (Troutman) and doesnt include his address, suggesting authorities didnt want anyone to track him down, according to Patricias side. I think Patricias defenders are implying the hair came from some unknown person. Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. You are not expressing an opinion but making an assertion or claim of fact: [I] have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. You are claiming innocence as fact there is no doubt shes innocent. According to a Morning Call account from March 5, 1998: McIntyre leaned forward conspiratorially like someone trying to persuade another to tell a secret, lowered his voice and said: Heres what I want to know: After you killed Joann Katrinak, did you kill that baby or just leave it to die?. You say by definition! She is a D-FW native with a B.A. Meanwhile, interest in Patricias plight continues on social media. Nobody said bodies were intact. It might have said no root but could have been wrong. I expect she will admit it one day. His defenders claimed that the confession was coerced, the video was grainy/unclear or doctored and the witness was confused and/or unreliable. The couple moved into Andrews sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. Those bodies would have been manipulated by something around there. According to court papers from Patricia 2017 appeal, DNA on the cigarette butt found near the two bodies belonged to Appellant. (Prosecutor Michael McIntyre, however, told ForensicFilesNow.com that that the cigarette butt was never actually tested). They returned with a guilty verdict and a sentence of two life terms. Most of all, Patricia said, she would like a rematch with prosecutor Michael McIntyre. Patricia also pointed out that when author Tammy Mal started her research and speaking to me, she was not an advocate at all but she reversed and ended up advocating for Patricias innocence. They did this case on Reasonable Doubt last night. Prue is currently serving a life sentence with the eventual opportunity for parole. . Prosecutors say a 911 call from the night of the murders proves that Said is guilty. She just stayed in touch with everybody, Kathy Barber said in her interview on NBCs Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports in 2017. It was just assumed to be crib death. Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. She was so obsessed with Andy that she called him non-stop, multiple times a day, right? Patricia Wright is a prisoner in Central California Womens Facilitys Nursing Unit coping with an extraordinary array of challenges. The womans disappearance became a missing person case with the Ross Township Police Department that sat on the shelf, lacking progress, for decades. I noticed that her defense lawyer and others advocating for her is not mentioning more about the gun. Mal told Keith Morrison that Patricias dance teacher originally confirmed her alibi that she was in class on the day of the murder, then changed his mind. However, Said never called 911. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. Remember, killers have the advantage over investigators. . She is the one who tricked them, first by They are a joke. So we can just pretend that everyone is honest all of the time? It seems so, according to you. Prosecution leader McIntyre, when interviewed, laughingly dismissed him as a nut in an effort to trivialise Traupmans input. You are absolutely right. I want to keep the tons of old jewelry but Im perplexed. But thats just some of the ammo on Team Patricias battleship. A Pittsburgh-area woman missing for over 30 years and declared legally dead several years ago has been found alive in Puerto Rico, authorities in Pennsylvania said on Thursday. How so? I am sorry it ever happened at all.". Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000. All this talk about hairs and other DNA just seems to keep deflecting away from the gun itself. To prove it 110% rather than just 99% I dont know why they wouldnt retest the hair fibers etc. Im sorry for the distress this awful business must have caused. If you look at the crime scene picture, only parts of the mother seem preserved. I very much doubt you are. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. Above, we have another whos totally clueless, has little or no knowledge of this case, but is happy to display his/her ignorance with a rant based on limited knowledge learned from biased documentaries who thinks that by using offensive and insulting language itll influence those who support Rorrer into changing their opinions. Ex-wife slams devil Texas father Yaser Said over honor killings of So, lets take your response one step at a time.